ralphotskie a écrit :

it's pretty similar to the case of session road vs. superdrag. SR also sampled superdrag's garmonbozia on their single leaving you.

...and then of course, there's cueshe sampling both simple plan's perfect (stanza) and silverchair's the greatest view (chorus) on stay.

sheesh. pinoy nga. :D

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frances_bean a écrit :

True, that. I have Garmonbozia and The Greatest View and deleted my Cueshe track when I found out heheh. :P

Its not at all bad to be 'inspired' by certain songs pero kapag ganito ka-obvious... geezus.

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ralphotskie a écrit :

apparently, for them there's a very thin line between 'inspiration' and 'plagiarism'. hehehe.

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frances_bean a écrit :

http://www.mb.com.ph/ENTR2005100545993.html

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ralphotskie a écrit :

saw that too yesterday. :D

i've met clem a couple of times (nakasama namin sila sa tugtugan) and he seems to be a reasonable chap, pero what he said in that article really irks me off. it doesn't take a musical genius to analyze that their song is derived from Chandeliers, period.

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pale_ipis a écrit :

ba! ang galing nga naman no? although di masyado obvious ung pag rip sa simple plan dun sa stay a...

pero wag tayong basta mag-generalize, di porke me isa/dalawang/tatlong pinoy na nakakagawa ng ganon, lahat na ganon... di eksklusibo sa pinoy ang pagiging... un na!

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TURNEK a écrit :

I don't know what's got into our kababayans today?First, I would want to inform you that if a song, take away one of it's dominant instrument used, will not be the same song. Second, a song take away a whole stanza or re-arrange the words or take away even only the chorus' lyrics will definitely make it a different song, same with the lyrics'thoughts. I am sorry to tell you guys...this is totally a different song. Reasons? First, the arrangement of the melody ...intro to 1st and 2nd stanza, the care used a violin, that makes the attack very different, yeah they may have the same beat ( a thousands of songs or millions would have the same beat also)but the arrangement, oh oh. I can say it is because it is very clear that the song chandeliers has a different chorus(melody), it made a mile of a difference. To say it's pirated is ignorance...the lyricist of the PBB theme did a good job and surely and obviously it's his own words he've written for the song. The thought and the words are far far different that is if the critics know how to translate english to tagalog(we wish). To have almost the same drum beat or guitar beat from intro to before the the chorus, doesn't mean it's a rip-off. What would you consider original? the profound trend today of reviving songs(they call it doing a cover song) or a song having original lyrics and chorus melody but with the almost the same drum beat or guitar beat from intro to before chorus of another song? Think guys, think!We filipinos should stand out proud and support our homegrown talents, and not magnify a simple usual and ordinary thing that happens when you have only ABCDEFG in our music scale(include the sharps or flats it would be 12)to play with. THE SONG CLEARLY STATES ABOUT PATRIOTISM AND PROUD BEING A PINOY...well if you are not proud of being filipino you could leave this country and start throwing accusations to us...ok?thanks!

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ralphotskie a écrit :

here's a more eloquent (and lengthier) explanation of this whole brou-ha-ha. it's from the blog of a member of the old pinoy new wave band half-life half-death:

http://elf-ideas.blogspot.com/2005/10/from-islets-to-islets-what-is-verdict.html

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ralphotskie a écrit :

oh, i missed the latest entry from before my post.

TUKNEK: fair enough, i might have been a little harsh when i said directly lifted from Chandeliers. that's why i've also stated that Pinoy Ako is largely inspired from it.

but like i said, it doesn't take a musical genius to figure the similarities between both songs. the intro alone is a dead giveaway. and what do you hear on the stanzas? similar chord patterns (D-A-G-Gm) and drum beats (pak pak pa tug pa tug pak pak). heck, even the strumming is uncanningly similar.

true. the care used violin flourishings and you guys remade the lead fills and played around with the arrangements here and there. still, the basic essence of Pinoy Ako is very much Chandeliers. to say that they don't sound UNCANNINGLY SIMILAR is ignorance.

in the end, my main beef is not with the song being ripped off, inspired or whatever you call it. my beef is giving credit where credit is due.

being a new wave-inspired band, you guys knew Chandeliers existed long before you even came up with Pinoy Ako. the least you could do was say Oh yeah, we were listening heavily to The Care when we wrote that song, hence the similarities. that would have spelled the difference.

but don't worry. taking the comparisons to Chandeliers away, i still enjoy Pinoy Ako on its own merits. even my 1-year old kid stands up and dances when he hears your song.

and yes, i do support homegrown talents because i was once a member of the scene. ask allan montero.

thanks for dropping by.

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ImaginaryNumber a écrit :

hope you don't mind this post.

i like both songs, really. i dont mind if its copied or not, well, it is a shock but i mean, at this day and age, nobody (should) really gives a f*ck about these things.

but the worst thing is, OnL's excuse about the issue that they got into a tight deadline that's why they did is a bit disappointing. i dont think it's a viable excuse... for a band that writes (and sells) music.

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pale_ipis a écrit :

THE SONG CLEARLY STATES ABOUT PATRIOTISM AND PROUD BEING A PINOY...

i don't like that kind of patriotism. it's a pretentious kind of patriotism. It's patriotism for patriotism's sake. just to get the approval of the rest of the world. It is rooted on the precedent that filipinos are in fact second class citizens of the world, so we constantly have to prove ourselves to the mighty western gods. why do we have to constantly remind ourselves that we are world-class? why do we have to keep seeking the validation of others of our greatness? Isn't it the first person we should convince is ourselves? And that should be enough?

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frances_bean a écrit :

TUKNEK's arguments are flawed and if I nitpick it one by one it would take me a hell of a lot of time writing...

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ralphotskie a écrit :

hah! even the one they did for that sunsilk commercial is a bit borrowed. tch.

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touchmove a écrit :

Wow... Pinoy talaga...

But Cushe's stay is not exactly a rip from Silverchair's. Only the first part of the chorus has been ripped. I can't believe this.

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rootee a écrit :

i don't like that kind of patriotism. it's a pretentious kind of patriotism. It's patriotism for patriotism's sake. just to get the approval of the rest of the world. It is rooted on the precedent that filipinos are in fact second class citizens of the world, so we constantly have to prove ourselves to the mighty western gods. why do we have to constantly remind ourselves that we are world-class? why do we have to keep seeking the validation of others of our greatness? Isn't it the first person we should convince is ourselves? And that should be enough?

Nakanang, drama. But it is so true. SO SO TRUE.

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tutpik a écrit :

bakit kasi nakikinig kayo ng cueshe... lol
joke lang

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taengpusa a écrit :

Turnek you mean to say this song wasn't a rip-off??? WEIRD... In my opinion it would have been better if they said that it was a tagalog version of the song rather than claiming that they made it.I totally agree with ralphotskie regarding the similarities. OnL just made the intro shorter and changed the plucking a bit, but still with the same tune. If you listen to the stanza, the drum beat is the same and as well as the bass line. The melody of the stanza is also similar and the chord pattern. Only the melody of the chorus seems different. But the feel of the song is as similar as hell and it's something that i think we SHOULDN'T be proud of. we should be proud of the song just because of what it says? music is art and what this band did is stole someone's artwork and claimed that they made it, and made it famous to the whole Philippines and made money out of it. Now an awful lot of Filipino, old or young sing the song everyday thinking that what their fellowmen created was a very beautiful song and is something to be proud of, when in fact it was a complete rip-off. I agree that this era we are in right now is full of revivals and crap, but still in my opinion, what OnL did was a lot worse. So Turnek means to say we should be proud of a Filipino band that stole music because their music means patriotism and crap like that? Bands like these should never be supported. They're one of the reasons why Filipino bands are looked down upon. There's a whole lotta pinoy band here that are underrated like Sheila and the insects which im more than happy to support. But not OnL. They just plain suck. We're not throwing accusations here. Don't be blind and listen to the song with an open mind.

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