Nominees for Echo 2008 Awards

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4 fév. 2008, 15h29m

I'll just comment about the categories for which there's artists I like:

Female Rock/Pop Artist (international):
Amy Winehouse - Back to Black
Avril Lavigne - The Best Damn Thing
Katie Melua - Pictures
Nelly Furtado - Loose
Rihanna - Good Girl Gone Bad

Amy's album is very good, most songs are interesting and diverse enough! I wouldn't be sad if it were the winner.
My favorite is, by a large margin, Pictures, from Katie Melua!
It's a phenomenal work of art! Truly amazing!
I'll be sad if the winner is any of the other 3.
Avril's last work it's just more from the same... nothing new!
I can say the same about Nelly Furtado, I didn't almost notice any evolution in her sound.
Rihanna, oh well, this girl is just wasting her talent by singing these lousy and repetitive pop songs! She is able of much better ... but she has to have the guts to do it!


Rock/Alternative (international):
Foo Fighters - Echoes, Silence, Patience & Grace
Kaiser Chiefs - Yours Truly, Angry Mob
Marilyn Manson - Eat Me, Drink Me
Nightwish - Dark Passion Play
Within Temptation - The Heart of Everything

This is difficult... even though there was a time when I loved Nightwish & Within Temptation, both these bands have taken a complete approach on their sound ... and in my opinion, both for the worse.
The only positive thing is one song from The Poet and the Pendulum
Both albums are extremely weak and they don't have much variety.
As such, I'd rather see Foo Fighters win this category...


Jazz Production (national or international):
Diana Krall - The Very Best Of Diana Krall
Götz Alsmann - Mein Geheimnis
Silje Nergaard - Darkness Out of Blue
Thomas Quasthoff - The Jazz Album
Till Brönner - The Christmas Album

Diana Krall is very good, but I don't want to see a "Best of" album winning this category!
For me, the favorite is Silje Nergaard!
I'm disappointed to see a lot of good Jazz artists being left out...
For ex: Norah Jones & Pink Freud should have been nominated! It's very unfair to leave them out...


Album of the Year (national or international):
Amy Winehouse - Back to Black
Die Ärzte - Jazz Ist Anders
Herbert Grönemeyer - 12
Linkin Park - Minutes to Midnight
Nelly Furtado - Loose

At the moment, my favorite is Amy's album but I don't know Die Ärzte nor Herbert Grönemeyer so I won't say any more...
I must check out their work!


Newcomer (international):
Colbie Caillat - Coco
Maria Mena - Apparently Unaffected
Mika - Life in Cartoon Motion
Serj Tankian - Elect the Dead
Tarja - My Winter Storm

I only know Tarja's album... and a little of Mika...
The first is not very interesting... and the later is absolutely horrible!
Tarja is able of doing much better, that I'm sure of!
So ... let the jury pick the best... whatever it is...

Commentaires

  • Gowienczyk

    I love how theres no Alternative in Alternative!

    4 fév. 2008, 22h40m
  • mitrado

    Yep... The Alternative category has 5 Mainstream bands... it's a little ironic. Ehehehe!

    5 fév. 2008, 3h18m
  • Gowienczyk

    Alternative doesn't always mean Non-Mainstream though!

    5 fév. 2008, 4h18m
  • mitrado

    Well, in my dictionary, Alternative just happens to mean exactly that: music different from the usual or conventional... thus logically different from the Mainstream... And that's exactly the reason why I think tagging or labeling any band as Alternative and/or Indie is a complete stupidity! Almost every band starts by being Alternative, since they are totally unknown to the general public... but if they achieve success without changing their ideas and sound, they will become Mainstream and therefore will cease to be Alternative and/or Indie! If the sound of an Alternative band hasn't changed much since they were unknown... and if they suddenly cease to be Alternative just because they achieve success and has become Mainstream... then the stupidity of the tag is demonstrated, since it tells us absolutely nothing about the style of music of the bands! So ... why do people keep using Alternative and Indie as if they were another kind of music, just like or ? So ... in my mind, Alternative simply can't be used as a musical genre, because it's not and it will never be... , , , ... etc ... these are Genres! Alternative and Indie are not Genres!

    5 fév. 2008, 5h36m
  • Gowienczyk

    Alternative Rock was a genre that started in the 80s as Rock based music with Punk influences and other oddities. Some subgenres of it are Grunge, and Noise Rock. See: Pixes, Sonic Youth (Noise Rock), Butthole Srufers, Paw (Grunge), Pylon, , etc. Alternative is a condition and a genre of several music types. Alt. as a condition means Not Mainstream. Alt as a genre could refer to Alternative Rock and it's subgenres, Alternative Country, or Alternative Pop. I'm not sure about anything else of it.

    5 fév. 2008, 17h18m
  • mitrado

    I know all that ... I've grew up listening to those bands... but I think it was a pretty dumb word to come up with! Indie and Alternative are simply too stupid words to describe a type of sound! They can be used to describe the popularity of a band ... but never their kind of sound... They could have invented a better term, for sure!

    5 fév. 2008, 18h52m
  • Gowienczyk

    Regardless, Alternative Rock - Alternative Pop - and Alternative Country are all well established genres. Better names could of been used, maybe. But it's not going to change any! My former reply was very unorganized and typoish! Only morons think Indie and Alternative by themselves are genres, though. Hell, Indie just means the band is on a Independant Music Label! Haha.

    5 fév. 2008, 19h17m
  • mitrado

    Yeah, I know you're right about that... My problem is not with people like you, who clearly understand the meaning of those words. My problem is with people who keep saying Interpol, Muse, Oasis and other highly Mainstream bands are Indie! How can they be Indie when they have contracts with some of the biggest multinational record companies of the world? (Warner Bros, Capitol Records, Sony BMG: are these Indie in any possible way?) Besides that: if alternative Music... I mean, if alternative , alternative , alternative and so on, have become the most popular genres, how can they still be alternative? , , , etc... should be enough to describe their sound! In my point of view, people should stop using those words to describe the sound of the bands... At least, I've stopped tagging bands with those words, they were useless and were only confusing me... and messing up my playlists too: My alternative Radio had everything bundled together in a big mess (, , , , ), as such, it has been sent to a massive black hole! It was Obsolete, Erased, Extinct!

    5 fév. 2008, 20h01m
  • Gowienczyk

    Yeah, that's the reason I subscribed. So I can listen to MY tag radio, if I wanted to hear real Alternative, etc. stuff.

    5 fév. 2008, 20h08m
  • our_velocity

    The Echo is useless, if you ask me. I'm German and I dare saying this...mainstream bands and bands who don't give a damn if they win. I beg your pardon, but Kaiser Chiefs nominated for a rock album? I'm still laughing. Really good bands are ignored...that's the bad thing about the Echo. They just pick out artists that everyone knows in Germany. Terrible. And this award is just a promotion party for the TV station RTL. I'm not gonna watch it.

    6 fév. 2008, 18h12m
  • mitrado

    Ehehehe, I know... the fact that 5 Mainstream bands are competing in the Alternative category pretty much sums it up. Also, The Very Best Of Diana Krall, in the Jazz category? A Best Of? In a time where such great jazz artists are appearing!? The organizers of the Echo must be taking way too many drugs...

    6 fév. 2008, 18h30m
  • mitrado

    I'll just comment about the categories for which there's artists I like: [b]Female Rock/Pop Artist (international):[/b] Amy Winehouse - Back to Black Avril Lavigne - The Best Damn Thing Katie Melua - Pictures Nelly Furtado - Loose Rihanna - Good Girl Gone Bad [b]Winner:[/b] Nelly Furtado - Loose How can this ultra-simple and completely void of feelings pop music beat Katie Melua as well as a 5-Grammy Awarding Artist? My opinion about this result: [b]Absolutely Ridiculous![/b] [b]Rock/Alternative (international):[/b] Foo Fighters - Echoes, Silence, Patience & Grace Kaiser Chiefs - Yours Truly, Angry Mob Marilyn Manson - Eat Me, Drink Me Nightwish - Dark Passion Play Within Temptation - The Heart of Everything [b]Winner:[/b] Nightwish - Dark Passion Play It seems that the weakest album of their careers was good enough for these Germans... [b]Jazz Production (national or international):[/b] Diana Krall - The Very Best Of Diana Krall Götz Alsmann - Mein Geheimnis Silje Nergaard - Darkness Out of Blue Thomas Quasthoff - The Jazz Album Till Brönner - The Christmas Album [b]Winner:[/b] Till Brönner - The Christmas Album Sorry, I can't say anything ... even though I know a lot of great Jazz albums who were simply forgotten! [b]Album of the Year (national or international):[/b] Amy Winehouse - Back to Black Die Ärzte - Jazz Ist Anders Herbert Grönemeyer - 12 Linkin Park - Minutes to Midnight Nelly Furtado - Loose [b]Winner:[/b] Herbert Grönemeyer - 12 I don't know who is it ... never heard about it in my life, but it still has beaten a 5-Grammy Awarding Artist! [b]Newcomer (international):[/b] Colbie Caillat - Coco Maria Mena - Apparently Unaffected Mika - Life in Cartoon Motion Serj Tankian - Elect the Dead Tarja - My Winter Storm [b]Winner:[/b] Mika - Life in Cartoon Motion Ugh ... This is vomit-inducing music, at most... [b]Overall Comment:[/b] What stupid decisions ... either the jury was completely drugged and wasted ... or they simply have an horrible taste! Oh well, there's crazy people everywhere ... and Germany must be leading them!

    16 fév. 2008, 19h35m
  • mitrado

    Well, Within Temptation are a mainstream band for quite some time now! They were very unknown, yes, but that was only until Mother Earth! After that, their popularity rose a lot... but they were not truly mainstream until they've released the following album: The Silent Force Since then, their video clips start having a lot of air time in MTV! This album had a much more commercial sound which immediately caught the attention of all teenagers who were already in love with Evanescence as it sounded so similar to Evanescence's albums, only being done with better quality!

    18 fév. 2008, 3h42m
  • mitrado

    I know... it's like the American Industry Music agents didn't want to publicize Within Temptation in the US before they had guaranteed that Evanescence would be a success... Financially, I have to admit it was a wise decision! If Within Temptation were advertised in the US before Evanescence had released their first album, the market would have been more divided and they probably wouldn't have gained so much money selling their records. After that task was accomplished they've started focusing a lot more on Within Temptation. In Europe, MTV didn't have so many concerns about that... they gave time to Within Temptation even before anyone had heard the name Evanescence.

    18 fév. 2008, 6h13m
  • our_velocity

    Umm, I have to comment again, I beg your pardon ^^ Someone who wins an Echo Award in his category has sold most copies of all nominees! I didn't know that - and I have to say that my country's not that crazy as it seems (; But it still bores me - why do we do this? 'Cause we like data and stuff and love it when the most successful singer / band wins...alas. Till Brönner is a good artist, I quite like him, whereas Herbert Grönemeyer, well... almost every German makes fun of him because he can't even sing properly xD And the best thing was that Die Ärzte won an Award for Best National Alternative band! They deserved it! I reeeeeeeally like their music, and they didn't show up and the TV station RTL is annoyed now, but they don't care xD I know another German band who was nominated (Tocotronic): they said they don't want to win *laughs* Gorgeous!

    20 fév. 2008, 22h22m
  • SinsWritter

    Newcomer (international): Colbie Caillat - Coco Maria Mena - Apparently Unaffected Mika - Life In Cartoon Motion Serj Tankian - Elect The Dead Tarja - My Winter Storm Maria Mena should had won. she's the best from all of those.

    10 juin 2008, 15h14m
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