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  • spineshank155

    DM to me sounds more like the self titled (black album) than anything else, but has its thrashy moments. St. Anger had the tin can drum sound, not DM. DM has the brickwalled deaf Lars drumming sound, though i agree St. Anger was a horrible attempt at Nu Metal and Metallica's midlife crisis album. Though the St. Anger track wasn't that bad. That was one Metallica album i could not sit through. Load/Reload i was able to listen to in it's entirety without wanting to stab my ears in the process with fisher price drumming in St. Anger.

    Samedi matin
  • Trash73

    "but Death Magnetic was pretty thrashy" >>> Hardly. Plus it's sandwiched between a Nu Metal album with tin can drums and an album to gain hipster credit for being avant-garde and artsy, St. Anger is what Nu Metal would sound like if you removed the punchy groove and Alt. Rock tendencies (asides from the occasional painful attempts at crooning on the title track and 'The Unnamed Feeling'.) Metalheads, please leave Nu Metal to the creative musicians who are actually well acquainted with alternative music, a decent producer (Ross Robinson) and those who write their own bass lines.

    Vendredi soir
  • letterblack

    a documentary on indian metal scene.......... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cl4oNVe6Hps

    Vendredi matin
  • ToxicGriever

    Megadeth I'll give him but Death Magnetic was pretty thrashy and the new demo Lord of Summer sounds like something from Kill 'em All just with really shitty lyrics.

    Il y a 12 jours
  • dark_wisdom

    "metallica, megadeth Thrash metal?" yeah, metallica and megadeth are or were both thrash metal bands

    Il y a 14 jours
  • nuslear_storm

    penis

    Il y a 20 jours
  • Yisus_1994

    metallica, megadeth Thrash metal? hahahahahaha

    le mois dernier
  • xVictimOfADownx

    Hey I started a new group for music fanatics, the focus is going to be different than the ExMF and the frosty paradigm. It's a bit of an experiment but if a bunch of people get in it could be cool. Join if you are interested. I want this group to become a center for music discussion on Lastfm (even though it's metal centered, other genres are more than welcome to be discussed.) Cheers! http://www.last.fm/group/Unholy+Cult+of+the+Appraised+and+Damned

    le mois dernier
  • bardofesgaroth

    Stay classy, Last.fm!

    le mois dernier
  • whiskeyhammer95

    It's all a matter of perspective to somebody.

    le mois dernier
  • MegaDave89

    Rihanna!

    février 2014
  • Trash73

    whiskeyhammer95 is another perfect example of how uncivilized remarks are now the norm. Any artist who sinks to those levels is guilty of lazy song-writing. After all, the irony is that despite the 'mainstream sheep' not understanding shock value is now part of mainstream society. So to reply to your question whiskeyhammer95: "what good does it do besides give the sheep some kind of identity?" Are we the sheep or are you?

    février 2014
  • whiskeyhammer95

    " Some prior art may have pushed boundaries of offence and vulgarity but some topics, such as those Throbbing Gristle and Coum Transmissions present, will always remain taboo. " Didn't the Greeks used to fuck young boys?

    février 2014
  • Trash73

    If anything, using art/music as social credibility is what hipsterdom is. >>> Art is subjective. Social credibility is subjective. Please continue with more vague, matter of fact statements that mean absolutely nothing in your context

    février 2014
  • Trash73

    "Gothic/Horror literature" that was pretty shocking for its time period. >>> It was shocking in the same way Metal is shocking - Christianity & religion is challenged and the devil is upheld - particularly true for novels such as Dracula in the Victorian era. I fail to see how this is relevant since Throbbing Gristle have immoral issues in their themes besides blasphemy, sin etc.

    février 2014
  • Trash73

    "It's disgusting, vile & uncultured." >>> "Isn't a lot of the best art called that by someone at some point though?" >>> This implies that 'the art' of Throbbing Gristle is Avant-garde. It is not entirely. The electronic instrumentation may be, but the subject matters and no chord song writing policies of TG are anti-art. Some prior art may have pushed boundaries of offence and vulgarity but some topics, such as those Throbbing Gristle and Coum Transmissions present, will always remain taboo. Besides, post-modernism has since killed of avant-garde and 'art / music' of that nature is no longer relevant in society. Metalheads are so stuck in the past.

    février 2014
  • whiskeyhammer95

    How times have changed. Now listen to Whitehouse and embrace the rape.

    février 2014
  • ToxicGriever

    v I know. They also used really long table cloths to cover up table legs back then because they thought the sight of anything remotely leg shaped would drive men mad with lust and they'd start raping everything in sight or something.

    février 2014
  • whiskeyhammer95

    v They did, in fact, cover up David's exposed penis with a fig leaf in Victorian times.

    février 2014
  • ToxicGriever

    "It's disgusting, vile & uncultured." - Isn't a lot of the best art called that by someone at some point though? I'm sure a lot of people were offended by all those Renaissance artist and their obsessions with depicting naked people in marble and paint all the time. I mean, David has an exposed penis! Shouldn't someone have tossed that pervert Michelangelo in jail or something!? Where's Helen Lovejoy when you need her!? Think of those poor children being given the choice to see a marble wee-wee in a public (which sounds way too similar to "pubic" for me) museum! I'm getting faint just contemplating it!!! THE HORROR!!!

    février 2014
  • whiskeyhammer95

    " Shock value wears off faster than a crack high (as it does in Metal too.) Look at the cover art of Throbbing Gristle's D.o.A and tell me that doesn't suggest under-age sex? It's disgusting, vile & uncultured." guilty. But it's always worth pushing boundaries.

    février 2014
  • whiskeyhammer95

    "Gothic/Horror literature" that was pretty shocking for its time period. "What you describing is a hipster mentality." to quote Malefic, "being 'into' something doesn't mean a fucking thing to me". If anything, using art/music as social credibility is what hipsterdom is.

    février 2014
  • Trash73

    v Did your little dreary eyes have to read? Just because your pathetic views and flawed arguments are challenged by someone smarter than you. I have a life and a brain. Thanks.

    février 2014
  • ToxicGriever

    tl;dr No one is stupid enough to fall for your proof by verbosity schtick anymore Trash. Shut the fuck up and get a life.

    février 2014
  • Trash73

    "Belonging to a "scene", what good does it do besides give the sheep some kind of identity? I have no interest in the drug-fueled dance side of electronic music." >>> What you describing is a hipster mentality. To paraphrase your statement "we as hipsters are above those sheepish plebs with our hipsterdom mentality of a hierarchy." Even if this Hispanic male looks grumpy he sure knows how to dance and let loose. LOL! Joking aside, culture is important to music. Look at how Emile Autumn adopts Victorian culture in her ethereal Industrial/Darkwave, or how certainly Industrial bands have incorporated Victorian Gothic/Horror literature rather than the typical shock value Industrial themes of Fascism, Sexism and violence. Shock value wears off faster than a crack high (as it does in Metal too.) Look at the cover art of Throbbing Gristle's D.o.A and tell me that doesn't suggest under-age sex? It's disgusting, vile & uncultured.

    février 2014
  • Trash73

    "And you still have ignored Boyd Rice being so essential to industrial music." >>> A flawed approach of logic to defeating my argument. I was talking about the overall sound Industrial possesses not whom was important. Your approach was list as many artists and genres as possible and not pin down precisely where the sound came from. Of course part of the sound came from sampling and the heavily processed drumming and vocals. I was just alluding to a source of the beat which is Funk. If you are talking about 'important artists' then you forgot the most important artist of all - Kraftwerk - for the invention of synthesizers and modulators. Industrial owes a lot to the inventor of feedback as well. Commercial Industrial Rock such as Rammstein and NIN owe a lot to the odd meters, time changes and modal riffs found throughout Rock music. Industrial is a very broad palette so I fail to see how Boyd Rice is so essential to all these artists?

    février 2014
  • Trash73

    Funk can come from a variety of sources (Boogie & Jazz Funk just to name a couple.) Cabaret Voltaire linked Industrial (everything up to and including "Red Mecca") and EBM with Funk. Throbbing Gristle changed their bass strings to adapt a Jazz Funk sound. EBM is often a fusion of Electro, Industrial and Funk. I shall now take the time to take the time to link some Funk fused Industrial from some very important bands in the Industrial scene: Cabaret Voltaire - "Big Funk", & "Sensoria", Ministry - "Over The Shoulder", Thrill Kill Cult - "Kooler Than Jesus", 23 Skidoo - "Vegas el Bandito", Front Line Assembly - "Vexation"

    février 2014
  • Trash73

    When did I state Throbbing Gristle were "hipster noise?" Einstürzende Neubauten is what I would consider "hipster noise" because they use tools as instruments. However, I do find it amusing how you can claim distorting wind instruments like Cosey Fanni Tutti does with Throbbing Gristle, & the use of the distorted clarinet with Carabet Voltaire, is rated highly amongst Industrial fans for being avant-garde. Yet Nu Metal, such as Jon Davis' use of a whammy pedal on his bagpipes, can't be considered avant-garde? I find it burlesque that Wes Borland uses delay effects with his pedals in a much more creative manner than Throbbing Gristle do with their vocals. Borland is clearly influenced by Industrial (see Black Light Burns) & can play a variety of guitar techniques - everything from finger tapping to Funk and Ambient interludes (where Borland makes best use of effects pedals & delay.) I respect both but Throbbing Gristle is distorted anti-art while Nu Metal is distorted creative talent.

    février 2014
  • ToxicGriever

    v Well, Trash does think that EBM and industrial rock are "real industrial" and groups like Throbbing Gristle are just "hipster noise."

    février 2014
  • whiskeyhammer95

    Basically, I'm not into the "right" kind of industrial for Trash, I guess. Oh well.

    février 2014
  • whiskeyhammer95

    "I like how you use bootlegs as a credible source" Who are the LLN?

    février 2014
  • whiskeyhammer95

    Bottom line, I like abrasive/harsh/dark/heavy music, whatever it's stripe.

    février 2014
  • whiskeyhammer95

    "LOL WHAT" No Wave was a reaction to the accessiblity of New Wave. And you still have ignored Boyd Rice being so essential to industrial music.

    février 2014
  • whiskeyhammer95

    Belonging to a "scene", what good does it do besides give the sheep some kind of identity? I have no interest in the drug-fueled dance side of electronic music.

    février 2014
  • ToxicGriever

    "They do not lack the spirit at all." - Yes they do. What motivated the early thrash bands was the desire to sound as heavy / evil / extreme as possible. All that motivates most of the retrash bands is a desire to play the exact same fucking music as their favorite bands in the exact same fashion.

    février 2014
  • ToxicGriever

    Hipsters are part of a subculture with its own codes of conduct and dress code like any other subculture. The types of music hipsters listen to tends to be considered artsy and/or forward-looking, hence their famous attraction to stuff like shoegaze, indie and post-rock. Hipsters also typically come from upper-middle class, urban backgrounds. More broadly, a hipster is someone who adopts elements of other cultures, strips these elements of all their meaning and uses them in an "ironic" fashion that people from the original culture tend to find offensive (1940s hipsters co-opted elements from the black and gay communities for example). Hipsters also hold themselves above others and take an elitist attitude toward other sub-cultures that favor authenticity and take pride in their cultures history UNLESS said culture is historically oppressed like the gay community. Just liking "obscure" music or listening to some of the same music that hipsters do is not enough to make one a hipster.

    février 2014
  • ToxicGriever

    "Industrial came from Funk." - No. If industrial music came from anything, its krautrock.

    février 2014
  • spineshank155

    " " I just don't lke faggoty dancy/dark electro 'industrrial'." You misspelt Industrial. You also mispelt revival. " LMAO! The hell kind of browser are you using? ROFL, even Internet Explorer now fixes misspelled words. I like how Trash has become the spelling Nazi, but Trash you missed one "lke". That was a good laugh though. I see the thrash metal shoutbox has been hijacked by industrial music, first annual reports, nuns, biker dudes and quality cheese.

    février 2014
  • Trash73

    And your hipster accusations are truly amusing. How do you quantify that? >>> A hipster belongs to no scene so they sit at coffee shops on their macbooks browsing Indie review websites & blogs and stroking their neck beards. They have no scene or no where else to go because they listen to post-contemporary music or different music that no one has heard of. Hipsters have no soul - where are the vocal melodies of the bands you listen to, oh right that would make them too mainstream right? Hipsters have no passion about anything that isn't Indie and are incredibly anti-mainstream (as you are with your dance music comments on Dark Electro.) Dance music would create a community of people right? Communities are too mainstream. Too many people gathering together. Dark Electro spawns from Industrial, and more significantly from the Goth club scene, which wouldn't exist now without the original EBM / Industrial dance floor. Dancing is too mainstream, right?

    février 2014
  • Trash73

    So is early Swans & Cut Hands but I'm sure as hell that wasn't the intent of the said artists to create dance music. >>> Did I say that? I was talking strictly about EBM.

    février 2014
  • Trash73

    listen to 1st Annual Report and shut your face >>> I like how you use bootlegs as a credible source.

    février 2014
  • Trash73

    "general spirit" as in >>Fuck Music.<< LOL WHAT?

    février 2014
  • Trash73

    "didn't I just mention Boyd Rice/NON?" No you said. "If anything, it's more akin to tape music, musique concrète, punk and psychedelic rock." 1. I've heard many attribute Punk to Grunge, Metal, Screamo, Emo and even Goth. Some of those may be accurate but Punk gets way to much credit for everything. 2. Listing genres and artists/projects is pointless unless you elaborate. I could learn from from reading Wiki than I have from you.

    février 2014
  • whiskeyhammer95

    "general spirit" as in Fuck Music. "20 Jazz FUNK greats." You think that is a coincidence?" listen to 1st Annual Report and shut your face. "just list genres that mean absolutely nothing in the context of Industrial." didn't I just mention Boyd Rice/NON?

    février 2014
  • Trash73

    "And yes, I don't like dancy type music, it needs to either be harsh & abrasive or atmospheric for me to enjoy." >>> Modern EBM is harsh and abrasive, what do you think it is techno music or something? It has a lot of distortion that is extremely difficult to imitate and craft. It's not just the case of reverb turn up bass, then add distortion. EBM even has distorted vocals, especially the terror EBM bands. It's a testament to their talents that EBM artists can create music with those qualities and make it danceable. Very few artists can make music both extreme and accessible.

    février 2014
  • Trash73

    "rofl, industrial came from the same general spirit as No Wave, just took different approaches. If anything, it's more akin to tape music, musique concrète, punk and psychedelic rock." >>> I would have expected something as wishy-washy and as that from a hipster. You dabble around the point and sit on the fence and just list genres that mean absolutely nothing in the context of Industrial. "General spirit" aye? What does this even mean? Nu Metal took the 'general spirit' from Metal, Hip-Hop, Grunge, Industrial, Funk and many other genres but the bands have frequently distanced themselves any scene. A general spirit means absolutely jack when quantifying music. If you want to look at what I consider Industrial then the links are there with Funk - certainly with early EBM, Ministry and Thrill Kill Kult. Throbbing Gristle even had an album called "20 Jazz FUNK greats." You think that is a coincidence?

    février 2014
  • whiskeyhammer95

    EBM sucks, btw, that's why bands like Whitehouse saw where that was going & went the other way with it. "Whitehouse emerged as earlier industrial acts such as Throbbing Gristle and SPK were pulling back from noise and extreme sounds and embracing relatively more conventional musical genres. In opposition to this trend, Whitehouse wanted to take these earlier groups' sounds and fascination with extreme subject matter even further"

    février 2014
  • whiskeyhammer95

    "It is danceable because it is rhythm based music." So is early Swans & Cut Hands but I'm sure as hell that wasn't the intent of the said artists to create dance music. And your hipster accusations are truly amusing. How do you quantify that?

    février 2014
  • whiskeyhammer95

    And yes, I don't like dancy type music, it needs to either be harsh & abrasive or atmospheric for me to enjoy.

    février 2014
  • whiskeyhammer95

    "A revival happens when all the early, popular bands are past their best (as in Thrash Metal) and some modern bands try to get the scene going again. They do not lack the spirit at all." all these party-pizza thrash bands tell a different story. "Besides, Industrial came from Funk." rofl, industrial came from the same general spirit as No Wave, just took different approaches. If anything, it's more akin to tape music, musique concrète, punk and psychedelic rock.

    février 2014