Ariues a écrit :

people define old school by what wouldnt sell if it came out today. a generation considers the old school to extend into the mid 90s. We FEEL that when gangsta rap became dominant, thats really when the old school ended.....again.

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acid1ko5 a écrit :

to jest to!

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IG-Jordy a écrit :

i'm not a real knower of hiphop but i still find this the best, cuz now it's all poppy shit!

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IveBeenOwned a écrit :

That's pretty dumb to tag a group called "Leaders of the New School" old school.

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zioncmnd a écrit :

electro-hop did not come after old school rap. they coincided - i will be changing that description. that would be like saying that World Class Wreckin Cru, Uncle Jamm's Army, Egyptian Lover all started in 1986-1989 which is way backwards

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zioncmnd a écrit :

There is a brief period of time that has no name - that is when rap changed from disco rap from 1978-1983 to rock rap which is from 1983-1986. Run DMC walks this line, Fat Boys walk this line, you know ..., but no-one seems to need or use that tag delineation and most people either too young, or don't know that rap was a sub-genre of disco early on, and had to survive that shit first before it took hold. It was during that disco hating period, that electro-hop and electric boogaloo emerged side by side with Bronx based old school rap. In some cases, they were fused together like Fatback band, which is funk, soul, disco, and rap ..., or in Ronnie Hudson and the street people which is funk and electric boogaloo all west-coasted out and shit ... stop hatin y'all ... its complex ... just share and be hip-hop y'all ...

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zioncmnd a écrit :

It's simple y'all. Old school 1977-1986. Golden Age (including instrumental hip-hop and gangsta rap sub-genres) from 1986-1989. 1989-1995 G-funk, New Jack Swing and mainstreaming of hip-hop. Why we fightin? Its that simple. Some artists started with old school acts like Kool Moe Dee who started with The Treacherous Three, but then released until 95 solo style. Personally, I still tag his ass as old school because that's his style whether or not he released Death Blow in the 70s don't matter. How we choose to tag is personal. How we define the epochs is listed above. Lovin the debate though ...

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ManDirky a écrit :

@onehiphopjunkie: I totally agree with you!

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onehiphopjunkie a écrit :

Damn character limit!!! LOL I have to disagree with anyone who thinks hip-hop from the 80’s is old school. All the stuff at that time was ground breaking to hip-hop music. Rakim changed every real M.C. who came after him, he totally changed the pace of rhymes listen to GMF& the FF. then fast forward to the mid 80’s and listen to the Fat Boys, Run DMC, the Beastie Boys, LL Cool J, Kool Moe D., The treacherous 3, Then listen to paid in full and any track after Jay-Z, Mos Def, or even J. Cole the pace and rhythm of the rhyme is patterned after Rakim. Then when someone used another’s Rhymes or style of dress it was called biting which was a true sign of a horrible “rapper”. Getting off track oops just see that *ish soo much…uuurrrggghh The mid 80’s was more like the golden age of Hip-Hop. Old School is where it all started in the late 70’s. Redefining what old school is every few years just because some kid started listening to it at a different time than everyone else is stupid.

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onehiphopjunkie a écrit :

Just stubbled on to this “disquisition” and first I’m 38 and ManDirky hit this convo on the head I’ve noticed in the past few years people calling anything older than when they started getin some ass old school…. LOL Nah that’s not how it works Old School hip-hop began in like 77’ and ended around 83’ish… I wont say a specific song such as any Run-DMC track cause the group it self at the time was “New School” the way they yelled in the mic and not only got your attention but got in your face through your speakers and forced you to listen, not only what they were wearing, and saying but the heavy guitar cords they chose to sample and use for scratch patterns at the time they were “gangster” per say LOL GMF and the Furious Five, Sugar Hill Gang, were old school. When people call Biggie or 2Pac old school personally I think thats fucked up simply because I graduated HS in 1990, and I don’t consider myself old so the music I listened to when I started gettin some ass couldn’t be old!!!

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basel81 a écrit :

http://soundcloud.com/search?q[fulltext]=whut+izzit Does anyone knows this track?

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ManDirky a écrit :

I really dig your opinion. But yes, I know more oldschool-artists than 3 or 4 names... and I respect you (Rutajlo) for being into hiphop since I am 5 years old. So you had the chance to catch more impressions so far. Of course, you even find some oldschool-styles today like every style from musical-history is coming back from time to time. And like I wrote, everyone has an own definition of oldschool. I am only a little confused when people see some early 90s hiphop like Brand Nubian or even mid-90s stuff like Biggie and call that oldschool. But this discussion shows that some people (like you) are really into hiphop and that's great.

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Rutajlo a écrit :

Ok ManDirky. U R 100% right if its come to beginning, all u write is correct. Our argue is because in Ur definition Old School is "beggining" -- and U right. My definition of this word is little wider. For me Old School is not only "beginning " but also a style in hip hop. So U R completly right, but there was a lot of artist till late 80's, who's style U could call old school like Biz Markie, N.W.A and many more.And even today u can find (Ugly Duckies) and they play old school style. So , sorry again U R the Man Peace .

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Rutajlo a écrit :

I' m sorry but "old school" is not a definition of WHEN SMTHG BEGUN-- I think genesis is the word U looking for. I can agree that old school end somewhere in middle 80 , i said somewhere because I THINK there is no straight date.I can agree whith the names of ppl u give but: Kool Herc , Grandmaster Flash R ppl who start all hip hop genre (i think u forgot or UR wiki missed AFRIKA BAMBATA) but EVEN kids know this if they read. I'm listening to the hip hop for 17 years now ( i think u was 5 then ) and if U want I can give u if u want at least 30 names of old school artist. Yours 3 or 4 names just start all the history , but they r not only ones. Peace.

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ManDirky a écrit :

"Oldschool" is the definition of WHEN SOMETHING BEGUN. please check it, please my friends. look at wikipedia, watch "Wildstyle". Abbott & Rutajlo from Poland. You still can DO something in an oldschool-way, you can act "oldschool" today. But you can't say this whole time lasted 10 years or more. you confuse two things. 1. a time 2. a style. Abbott, yes if you talk about style, you're a lil bit right about cypress hill. but if you see it from a chronological view, old school died with Run-DMC. Now continue. thanks.

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Rutajlo a écrit :

And I Agree with TheAbbott. Go and learn.

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digbickman a écrit :

i was born in 87... 90's is old school for me and 80's is oldschool that i had to uncover post internet bang

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ManDirky a écrit :

But, of course, I often use the term "old school" myself when I just mean "80s rap". It has different meanings to everyone personally.

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