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Were they the first formulated pop band?

 
    • [Utilisateur supprimé] a dit :...
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    • 10 sept. 2008, 1h46m

    Were they the first formulated pop band?

    Ok pop is a little unfair but in a strange way were they not a formulated revolution instigated by the great can man himself?

  • Maybe not the revolution part....... BUT EVEN STILL.......

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    I've wondered that exact same thing!!!

    I mean, people can say what they will about the Velvet Underground, but in a lot of ways, that band - even in its dissimilarities to all the other music the Sixties birthed (major differences including the subject matter of Reed's writing, a fashion sense that owed almost everything to the Beat poets, and of course, their early fondness for feedback, distortion and drone) - was no different from The Beatles or The Rolling Stones.

    To kill my tendency to ramble at this moment, I'll get straight to my point...

    In my opinion, nearly everything in modern pop culture IS formulated. Do you think "artists" such as The Partridge Family finished their final concert with a casual family dinner?

    Did those Monkees just disappear into a seeming-nothingness of head and drugs, only to pop up from time-to-time at your nearest grocery store or locally-run amusement park? "Hey, kids! Michael Nesbitt will synchronize your Ferris wheel experience to '(I'm Not Your) Steppin' Stone' for only an extra four tickets or two quarters!!!"

    NO!!!

    They, in fact, do not just move away to towns where nobody knows your name (and, if they actually do, they just don't give a shit).

    Those fakes with the gimmicks (The Monkees, Partridges, etc.) resurface in the form of the Backstreet Boys or 98 Degrees, for example.

    Those geniuses with the gimmicks (The Velvets had them - in case you never realized that video projection and taboo song topics qualify as this ... well, now you do) resurrect themselves from time-to-time, at first in the form of indie rock and R.E.M. Eventually, these manifestations mutate, the result being garage rock revival, Modest Mouse - and pretty much the entire first ten years of the 21st century.

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    • Lime43 a dit :...
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    • 11 jui. 2009, 7h20m
    - - Those geniuses with the gimmicks (The Velvets had them - in case you never realized that video projection and taboo song topics qualify as this - -

    Wow - you think those things are gimmicks? Was William Burroughs just a gimmick writer? You can't say geniuses have gimmicks - idiots have gimmicks - geniuses have depth, perception and the ability to convey it clearly to their listeners. I think you've kind of got the idea, but mostly, you're off the mark. Keep thinkin.

    Peace.

    • vfegan a dit :...
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    • 28 août 2009, 17h47m
    Can't see this whole "formulated" thing myself with regard to the Velvets. Warhol didn't invent them by any stretch of the imagination, in fact his main contribution seems to have been to team them up with Nico, inspirational certainly, but not a collaboration that lasted. Sure, he got producer credits on the first album but, in reality wasn't it Tom Watson that did all the work? Of course, in a sense that was part of Warhol's genius, other people did the work and he stamped his name on it to give it credibility and turn it into art! Obviously the whole Warhol connection probably helped Lou & Co to get the, fairly tiny, audience they did manage to garner back in the 60s and has turned on a lot of people to their music since then. Still, a long way from the whole idea of formulated pop bands that blight us now. I have this wonderful dream where Simon Cowell is buried alive in quicksand - what a great Velvets song THAT would have made.

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    • 10 sept. 2009, 14h00m
    I find the dark humour and lou's songs about degradation were contrived only in the best possible taste! I dont know the band's history that well but I assumed Nico's placement was a spin from the great tin of soup in the sky, it may not have lasted long but her off note early heroin chic was inspired, perhaps if she was replaced by a transformed replica...

    to state the obvious most music by nature has a formulaic element, the velvet undergrounds percussion proto-motorik beat layered with seemingly chaotic abrupt soundscapes were industrialised in a sense. The subject matter of the early lyric's seem to carry a number of similiar set themes with intent, maybe i should have used the word 'concepted' as opposed to 'formulated'.

    I must admit my initial statement was probably inaccurate but was born and raised on some potentially high methane bio info

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