VegansShoutbox
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Cleptomanics Hej, you might be interested in "Unity". It is the sequel to "Earthlings", but this time around its not only about how we treat animals. This film is about perceptions, and why we show empathy for some beings, but apathy for others. Watch the official teaser here: http://unitythemovement.com/unity-official-teaser/
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Nergal-HoD http://noredseas.bandcamp.com/ - Fundraising compilation for Sea Shepherd. Features Noise, Industrial and Neofolk artists. Please Support.
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LeCALLE vegan ambient, trip hop, downtempo free downloads at http://lecalle.bandcamp.com/
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Cleptomanics
Hey community, please support Kellie and Victor VanOrden (from Austin, Texas) who were arrested on October 10th, 2011 while allegedly trying to free mink from a mink ranch near Stone State Park in Iowa. http://supportkellieandvictor.blogspot.com and https://www.facebook.com/pages/Support-Kellie-Victor/113836865397165 Solidarity knows no borders!
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claydoran captive bolt: new vegan punk band from Jacksonville FL. free download at http://captiveboltvegan.bandcamp.com
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Bluev2 Also through observation of the "live export rally" here in Australia it has also led to xenophobia and racism towards neighbouring countries. Welfarist easily drop the bomb in which they view other nations with poorer tracks of animal welfare as inferior to them but in fact the nation that they belong to is just as horrible as any other.
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Bluev2
The whole concept of welfarism brings comfort and the false pretense of the term "humane". Take a look at the free-range egg industry it has become a more efficient way of producing eggs which led to more animals being used but still encapsulates a similar degree of horrendous practice to that of the non-free range variety. Yet people are flocking to free range under the false impression that what they are doing is okay and they are morally justified to consume them. Freerange came from welfarism and it has done nothing but promote animal usage.
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Altruism While it does not seem realistic at the moment, there is no telling for sure what the future will hold. Though even if people would live on this planet as vegans there would still be suffering (albeit a lot less), that's a sad fact of life (and the way 'nature' dictates). Utopia would look a lot better still, almost inconceivable I guess. That said, not all petitions initiated in the interests of animals are crap and there isn't always a clear distinction in what one would consider as welfare, rights or liberation. Animal welfare legislation also isn't always necessarily in the way of an abolitionist approach, it may not help that cause per se but oftentimes it isn't exactly obstructing it either. But of course, sometimes it is. And then of course, there's different perspectives, for example - the long term interests of non-human animals as a whole (or rather, future lives of individual animals) or the dire needs of individual animals that suffer in the here and now.
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Cleptomanics
I guess I know what you mean. Sure, there will never be a vegan world. That's utopia - you're right. For me, I like to show a positive example of how to live a vegan lifestyle. I don't like to point boundaries how far people can go. If we promote veganism, those people who are concerned about the issue but not willing to go vegan yet will become vegetarians anyway. That is, we do not stop anyone from taking interim steps... The eight ours campaign hides the vegan option I think. Anyway, thanks a lot for keeping things alive :)
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RapeMortality I think you just didn't get my intention. I don't support killing animals and I am aware of fact that diffrence between welfare and liberation exists. Of course it would be better if people didn't eat animals at all, but it's real world, not utopia. We can't save them all so we sholud just do our best in any possible way to give them at least better end.
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Cleptomanics
Stop Consuming Animals at all! I don't like this petition crap. There's a huge difference between animal welfare and animal liberation. Sorry this sounds so much in a know-it-all manner but this enrages me. Have a nice day :) www.vimeo.com/4808086
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RapeMortality
http://www.8hours.eu/ - help stop long animal transports in European Union
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RapeMortality
GO VEGAN!
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FamousGardener Hi!
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JTLDN Altruism: pure communism is anarchism and vice versa. it's the logical result of an end of involuntary hierarchies (including carnism, etc). no form of communism has ever existed. workers have NEVER controlled the means of production. at best only democratic socialism and social democracies have been achieved. most self-declared communist states are one-party state capitalist e.g china and it's 'CCCP'. the act of people labelling them communist is an often wilful and cynical perpetuation of smear and misinformation.
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everydayidie not totally? in texas? make me burger
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Mr_laugh
To the person asking about veganisim, if you can't sustain yourself upon a vegan diet, Im an advocate of Ovolactate Vegetarianism. Im not totally vegan yet (live at home in texas, its kind of hard), but i totally plan on it.
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Altruism
JLTDN: it has nothing to do with 'red scare' propaganda but with the likes of Mao Zedong, Lenin, Pol Pol, Kim Jong-il, Fidel Castro and so forth. Communism in practice has continuously led to totalitarian states and oppressive regime. The way I see it, communism can only be seen as an acceptable ideology if it is equated with (true) anarchism. And these just aren't the same, especially in the way they want to achieve things.
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JTLDN
Neue_regel_: protein and zinc are just as easy to maintain with a vegan diet as an omnivorous one. legumes (chick peas, lentils, pinto beans, kidney beans, etc), nuts and grains are all sources which are healthier than animal products. the only alleged difficulty in a vegan diet is B12, but it can be found in many breakfast cereals, vegan milks and meat substitutes. B12 is made by bacteria, it's not a requirement that it comes from animal products. altruism: there's nothing wrong with communism. it doesn't intrinsically imply authoritarianism. that's a claim dishonestly repeated by 'red scare' propaganda. pure communism is stateless.
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Altruism
@Neue_regel_ : if you honestly care about consuming only 'natural' foods then you should definately stay away from dairy and eggs because these are about as 'unnatural' as it gets. If you worry about soy you should know that (genetically modified) soy is mainly produced as fodder for farm animals that 'produce' meat, dairy and eggs. That said a vegan diet is perfectly possible without the use of soy. There are also vegans who have soy allergy. B12 is the only vitamin that cannot adequately by obtained from plant sources but B12 supplement aren't any more unnatural than dairy products are. It's not 'natural' (as in refering to what is common in nature among species of animals in relation to their food habits) to enslave animals, artificially inseminate female cows, take away their baby calves only moments after birth, milking them with machines and finally putting cow's milk on the market that was intended (by nature) for calves not grown-up adults from a different species (humans).
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Altruism
@iheartmountains: if you identify yourself with nazism and fascism (as you do by joining their respective groups) you are basically saying that you are perfectly okay with the massive exploitation, abuse and murder of people based on their race, ethnicity and so forth. People do not choose their race nor do they harm another with, say, the color of their skin. It's people's actions that matter. And 'racialism' is just another scientific euphemism for racism. Anyway, seeing as people are animals too who can and do suffer this just isn't compatible with veganism. Veganism does go beyond not using products that came from non-human animals. And, for me at least, it's not at all about 'political correctness' but about the fact that people (of any race or whatever) too are sentient beings worthy of consideration (even though the vast majority of people knowingly and willing cause a lot of suffering themselves). BTW: I have the same issue with people who embrace communism.
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Neue_regel_ I am interested in becoming Vegan but I FAIL to see how I could possibly get Zinc, B12, essential Amino acids (e..g Tryptophan) and Highly potent animal Protein (.e.g Egg white or organic Dairy protein), in NATURAL forms (and not supplements.) Also, SOY products are out of the question for me, so I guess I'll remain an Omnivore for a while.
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Altruism
Well, you asked a question and I merely gave you a probable answer. Not much point in complaining about it to me seeing as I wasn't the one who had you removed. Sure you don't have to be a 'straight edge anarcho socialist' (nor am I), but I just fail to see how you would want to bring together a racist ideology (nazism) and veganism.
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Altruism
Have you not considered that, just maybe, it might have something to do with one of the other groups you've joined?
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JTLDN
posting stupid things?
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PoisonSermons vegans of the world unite and take over
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JTLDN
join your local animal liberation group and spread the word! [2]
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vegivegi We must fight as one team for VEGAN REVOLUTION.
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Schnecke8 Hi
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Cleptomanics
Green is the new red This site is about how animal rights and environmental activists are being labeled "eco-terrorists," and what that means for the safety and freedom of us all.
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jirafasenllamas Buenos Aires - http://www.semilladeliberacion.com/
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Cleptomanics
Wow, great music charts this week. Defeater on third place, that's magnificent.
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Nia7 maybe check the pages as vegan forum, volentia ... i'm sure there are vegans from almost everywhere:)
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ann0maly Anyone from China? I'm writing an article and I have a few questions about being vegan in China, so I'd be very grateful if you'd help me out.
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Cleptomanics
True, true. Folks - join your local animal liberation group and spread the word!
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jirafasenllamas
The word here missing is: Activism.
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ikbennederlands Pdx Vegans!
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NECROPEDOPHILPH ♥
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vesna_in_heart Veganize the world! Hola,Hello,Ni Hao,Halo,Bonjour!
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JackT928 hey guys
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JTLDN
Uiterwaarde: it is likely commercial beekeepers are contributing to the decline of bee populations worldwide. especially industrial pollinators who are likely part of the spread of CCD http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/10159361 . many beekeepers also feed HFCS or other monoculture diets to bees which may be harmful http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/08/090826110118.htm - http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/8467746.stm
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Uiterwaarde Last but not least, do your own research on (animal) products and choose yourself what to eat and what to leave. Don't become a vegan just for the sake of being labeled as one, make your own dietary choices. And of course it's a good thing if your choices largely correspond with the standard 'vegan definition', but it's not necessary to be a ecologically and morally aware person, which is far more respectable than just being 'vegan'.
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Uiterwaarde
I don't eat honey myself, but I don't mind it either. You can say what you want, but it's a fact that beekeepers play a vital role in sustaining nature in both urban and rural areas in a 'natural' way. They also provide a very valuable service in organically boosting crop production of almonds, apples, cherries, blueberries, melons, etcetera. Another thing, although you could call beekeeping exploitation, unlike any other form of animal exploiting, bees are free to roam around anywhere they want! They just 'choose' to stay at the hive (for comfort reasons I guess, I'm not an expert on this). While I'm sure the modern world would be much a better place without meat, dairy, poultry and fishing industry, I'm also pretty certain that a world without beekeepers could easily turn into a disaster, especially in urban areas - which are highly needed in this overly populated world - where wild bees would have a hard time to thrive.
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JTLDN
lanfill: plants are alive and intelligent but not believed to be either conscious or sentient. if something is not currently conscious enough for to be sentient and never has been then i have no problem killing it as there is no difference between it and an non-living object. a better example of your question would be if i equated an early unconscious foetus' rights with an already born, sentient life; i don't.
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LanFill The intelligence argument doesn't make sense to me. That implies that things of less intelligent are inherently less valuable than things that are intelligent. So I guess you find people with mental disabilities and children less valuable than an average IQ'd adult? On the contrary, things with lower intelligence need to be protected by those who have more. It's not our role to decide what is valuable and what isn't. All life is valuable. Protect all of it equally..
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JTLDN
i base veganism on a spectrum of intelligence, we aren't sure and currently do not believe insects are even sentient unlike more developed animals. so it can be a personal choice, imo. i used to eat honey, but i don't any more. i can understand if people still would though. you aren't vegan according to the british/american vegan society if you do.
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LanFill
No honey, no.
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Cleptomanics
In my opinion it's dominion, exploitation and not okay at all. Veganism is about compassion for all creatures.
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Larintha Hey just a question, do you think its ok for vegans to eat honey? and are you vegan if you do?
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LanFill
Hello fellow vegans :)
