Recommended videos about veganism

Rotarmist_ said:
No, you can't make comparisons between the threatment of animals and the holocaust. The holocaust was totally in a other context than the treathment of animals.

Yes you can, because of the similarities that are there, despite the differences. And what is this context you speak of? The fact that Nazis wanted Jews exterminated (ultimately)? How is extermination any worse than continuous breeding (over decades and decades - and then we're only talking about the factory farming era) for luxury interests? If anything, the latter is even worse. If domesticated animals would be exterminated, at least that would be the end of their suffering. It's THAT bad. The Holocaust is absolutely atrocious and one the blackest chapters of human history, despite that, it would have been worse still if it had continued for as long as animal abuse has been going on, with Nazi's all the while breeding, abusing and eating their victims.

Again, we're not talking about whether or not it is an effective approach (because of the feelings many people have with regards to the Holocaust), but whether or not it makes sense to draw parallels rationally.


Rotarmist_ said:
Or do you think all people who are not vegan are fascist and rascists?

Let me put it this way; I think antropocentrists (people who have thought about it and genuinely think that people, by definition and just because they are part of mankinds, are better than animals, sentient or not, and find it acceptable to let animals suffer even to fulfill their own trivial desires) are as bad as fascists, racists and sexists. Though I will have to admit it's really difficult to treat people accordingly in risk of being socially isolated. But deep within it feels the same to me... and with good reason.


Rotarmist_ said:
This comparison is only a view of seperate things and only take the things of holocaust which are maybe the same with the threathment of animals. But you can't seperate the holocaust, for bringing somebody to be vegan. There are really better compains which you could make, to bring somebody to be vegan or to clear up the humans about veganism. This comparison would rather alienate people to be vegan.

Like I said, I agree that there are better ways to inform people. What I'm saying is; drawing comparisons (which isn't the same as making a full equation) between massive industrialized animal abuse and any mass abuse of people (like the Holocaust) makes perfect sense once you accept that humans as a species are not inherently better (or worth more) than other sentient beings. And there's a strong rational case for that belief.


Rotarmist_ said:
And i think also this is also with the slavery. but alltimes with such comparison you seperate and don't watch the whole thing and then you would see more differences than similiaries.

Not sure what you mean by this. But I'm addressing the fact that if one DOES look at the 'whole thing' there's no denying that there are infact many similiarites and much fewer (morally relevant) differences.


Rotarmist_ said:
And Black Block is good methode to safe yourself for repression and other things! This a totally other thing than these comparission.

That's not what I mean. I made the comparison because your previous reply to this thread gave me the impression that you are concerned about what are good and effective means to help the (animal lib) movement forward, which is good, yet the 'black block' approach in antifascist demonstrations as such can hardly count on popular support (as they call it) which in turn means that it does not have a positive effect on the antifascist movement. Let me put it this way, do you believe that when people read or see the news and are looking at people dressed all black, wearing balaclavas and hiding their appearance that it will make a positive impression? Hell many people can hardly tell the difference between black block antifa militants and nazi on the other side because frankly they all look the same to them. I know these protest aren't necessarily focused on media coverage but it definitely harms the image of a movement with the broader public. The problem there is that it significantly hinders growth of the movement. So the way I intended the comparison it's not at all a different thing.


Rotarmist_ said:
And i think ALF videos are better and without this stupid comparisson. And ALF is not only animal liberation. it is also make videos about the threatment of animals. so i think it is maybe the same as earthlings, but without such stupid comparisson!

Of course ALF can be a lot of things. But if it is above ground, fully legal than it won't be ALF. Once you cross the boundaries of the law you've got to think careful about public support for your actions not in the least place because it may well affect the interests of animals in the long run. It's what determines to a large extent how the whole movement will be looked upon (though luckily enough people are capable of judging each separate acts for its merits). All I'm saying is that some ALF actions infact do not have popular support while others likely have (liberating beagle dogs from a lab is mostly considered more noble than damaging property let alone threatening vivisectors in their personal life).

For health conscious vegans, I highly recommend Dr. Michael Greger's (director of Public Health at HSUS) enormous and growing video catalog (453 to date) on the science of healthy vegan eating (and the perils of animal products) at NutritionFacts.org. Here they are (alas, in reverse order):

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