Discussions → People who haven't done any drugs and people who have

Is this including alcohol as a drug? Cause I definitely feel people can be condescending towards users of other drugs, but alcohol (and alcoholism) is so accepted in our society as to be expected.

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I always feel a certain barrier, but not so much lately really. But people who has never even tried drugs seems so limited someways.
And then there's always normal social interaction, LOTs of jokes are incomprehesnible for non-users, and so is also lots of literature, movies and music. The trippy stuff in life is missed out for the tripless. poor people.

agreed.
besides the occasional pot and black-out drunk experiences, i'd been relatively clean and got along fine with my non-using friends. but then i did DMT, which changed my life completely, and i now feel like i can't relate to them at all. i feel like they just couldn't possibly understand, but more importantly, that they choose not to, and condemn my actions out of ignorance.

anyway.

DMT.

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i absolutely agree with you, i think attitude against drugs should be changed, from both the non-users and (some) users. some people see drugs like something that's cool
(they can put it on their emo-myspace-site along with a picture of them looking in the mirror with Hair in front of their eyes) .

And alot of people don't see it as conciously altering but more like: let's party and take drugs. People should use drugs for creativity, new insights in live and to some extend also party offcourse but not too much.

Like with cannabis: i don't go smoking it because i want to become creative or something (most of the times). I just do it for fun , but when i'm doing it i think about things, and see different perspectives.

That, is the purpose of drugs: Too leave the 3d world we're living in now for a bit, and think in other dimension, perspectives, etc..

Quoth jonFREAKINryan:
thinking they're ridiculously deep when in reality they're just some fucktard who saw waking life and knows absolutely nothing (having never read a book in their life)

you just described about everyone I've met over the last year.

I don't feel superior as such...just more open minded. :D But I do agree with you guys.

Yeah people who act as though drugs are the REASON people can make good music or good art are ridiculous. But people who get themselves worked up over people doing drugs are equally ridiculous. It's all about a happy medium. You can't believe that drugs give you your inspiration and open up the world, because they don't. They're a different perspective and a different take. Yes, I find it difficult to relate to completely inexperienced people, but i also know people who are very happy in life and have no reason to use drugs. Some of these people don't seem naive or stupid, they seem like they have their shit worked out better than me, in fact. They don't need drugs to relate to their idea of the world, whereas I did. Until I smoked weed for the first time, I was a total lost soul, just wandering around going through motions. Now, I'm not saying I need weed to be creative or live my life, but that perspective helped me work out my own life. Some people don't need that though. It's completely a person to person basis. I think the people who come off as naive are the ones who should, perhaps, try drugs, but there are people who go their entire lives without that need. (Frank Zappa fans?).

As far as relating to these people, I totally agree. Inexperienced people tend to be difficult for me to talk to, but I do know some who are really friendly and happy and fun to be around. I have one really good friend who happens to be the pianist in my band who has never smoked because he's never felt the desire to. He is the most friendly, outgoing, caring people I know. He loves music, he loves life, and he's friends with plenty of people who do drugs. He just doesn't need that in his life, and I relate to him really well because we have a common ground in the fact that we're musicians. Drugs just give drug-users an emotional common ground that we can all understand. Have you ever heard a story about a trip from a friend and know EXACTLY what they're talking about with some sort of hallucination or thought process? It's amazing to us that we all share that experience, and that experience cuts us off from people who don't approve of it.

Quoth onewheelwizzard:
Some of my user friends are incredible and see life through the most amazing lens due to their drug experiences and the way they integrate them into the rest of their lives, and some of them can't get beyond the "getting fucked up" recreational aspect of drug use. Some of my non-user friends are utterly brilliant at life and could (and perhaps will) lead truly enlightening and fulfilling lives without using a single mind-altering substance, and some of them are closed-minded and uninteresting and can't see anything beyond their own limited world view. People can attain every bit as much enlightening introspection and broadening of thought without drugs as they can with them ... drugs are just a shortcut to it. What I find to be the real difference is whether or not one *intends* to expand their mind. If you really want to, you can no matter what path you take to it.

thankyou, that's *exactly* how I would put it.

I've done alot of acid in my life. I've had alot of revelations. I've listened to alot of Tool. Never have the three things happened at the same time. I haven't seen god while those things are going on either. But, man, music sure sounds cool while on acid and mushrooms.

I've never been able to understand people who have never had similar experiences, they do tend to be "different". But then they tend to be the same people who listen to music that I wouldn't allow on my iTunes. (although I shouldn't really talk because my sister has alot of questionable crap on my iTunes currently. And, hey, she doesn't do drugs...hmmmm.)

i'm reading "the electric koolaid acid test", and all he's been doing for the last 100 pages or so is describing how different people who have had 'the experience' and haven't are...its annoying