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Double standards?

 
    • eloiseshf a dit :...
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    • 13 nov. 2011, 11h34m

    Double standards?

    Someone brought up Eric Clapton as a case of a non-neofolk musician that gets away with a lot in terms of racism. No one in their right mind would hold his statements against his collaborators, but if you try to hold him accountable, you get silenced with "don't be PC" or "he's a bluesman". I think the same double standards apply to many other non-neofolk artists. I'll only name two that really make me uncomfortable, even though (or because) I really care for their music.
    - Jaz Coleman of Killing Joke. A great musician and a world-class twat. Like Douglas P., he collects Nazi memorabilia, but in Coleman's case it is seen as a harmless hobby. Worse, he hasn't fully explained or recanted some horrible things he said in the early eighties, like "Hitler was misunderstood about the gypsies" or "we should put gay and black musicians in the gas chambers". Only something like, "look, he was stoned" from his band members. Yes, I know that he has this jester persona and he's friends with Dave Grohl (now), but still. Let's face it, if, say, Patrick Leagas had said things only half as bad, he'd still be in trouble with the law. Instead, Jaz Coleman gets made Knight of the Arts and Letters in France and conductor of the EU orchestra. I don't get it.
    - The bands from the French postmetal scene, Alcest, Amesoeurs and Les Discrets. While Neige and Fursy Teyssier come across as thoroughly decent fellows, they have collaborated closely and repeatedly with people like Drudhk and Peste Noire, who make Boyd Rice and friends look like the Anti Defamation League. From what little I know, Neige or Teyssier haven't explicitly distanced themselves yet. All I see is lame defenses from fans, such as "It's a small scene, they can't do otherwise" or "they come from black metal, some poses and imagery are just part of the game". Sorry, but if that's not good enough for neofolk, then it surely isn't good enough for black metal, postmetal, shoegaze or whatever you call it.

    I don't mean that neofolk should be cut some slack. Quite the opposite, I feel that the level of awareness expressed here should be adopted for other kinds of music too.

    "Everyone else, they're just fooling themselves, not you."
    • [Utilisateur supprimé] a dit :...
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    • 25 déc. 2011, 23h45m
    You're right about Clapton and Jaz Coleman. Let's not forget Morrissey, whose views are not far removed from Varg's. It's because rock is normalized, along with the behaviors that tend to go along with it. Neofolk is a marginalized fringe genre with fascist associations, so we don't see racism in that genre as just a "character flaw".

    I don't agree with the witch hunt guilt-by-association mentality in the second half of your post. Peste Noire and Drudkh are complicated bands who aren't just about bigotry; Boyd Rice is actually far more hateful. The former bands are about paganism and fantasy, the latter (Boyd) literally just promotes social darwinism and trolls liberals by insulting women and minorities.

    Even if Peste Noire and Drudkh were totally racist, should wimpy, mediocre "sensitive artist" projects like Alcest distance themselves from them? Well, by that logic, shouldn't Foo Fighters distance themselves from Killing Joke just because Coleman is a cunt? It's bullshit.

    Yeah, it's worth considering double standards like that and calling them out. But life is life, and you can't wash your hands of every indecent little thing. Let racism be the stupid non-solution it is and promote the truth.

    P.S. Calling Clapton a bluesman is like calling McDonald's gourmet food.

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