Anti-nazis= hypocrisy?

 
    • loomia a dit :...
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    • 8 mai 2007, 11h11m

    Anti-nazis= hypocrisy?

    I heard people saying that anti nazis are hypocrites, and that being anti nazis is not better then being nazi.
    Of course anti nazis are better then nazis!
    The difference is that we don't think we have the right to kill nazis just coz we don't like tham. Anyone can think what he wants, but you don't have the right to kill a person S:
    I just had to say it. What do you think?

    • hiloola1 a dit :...
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    • 8 mai 2007, 12h17m

    ...

    I agree with you.

    • [Utilisateur supprimé] a dit :...
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    • 8 mai 2007, 19h48m
    So do I!

    • [Utilisateur supprimé] a dit :...
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    • 11 mai 2007, 19h38m
    Nazis hate people for the existence, but your existence is nothing you could change, it is not even your mistake to be different.

    We probably hate nazis for their mind and ignorance...

    • SickYid a dit :...
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    • 25 mai 2007, 13h31m
    +1 to fibo.
    The diffrence is that nazis hate you for somthing you have no control of like your skin colour,youre birthplace, or whatever, and not for youre deeds or the cohices you make. While being a nazi is a choice. You choose to hate and provoke violence towards people based on something they cant be responsible for. Hating someone for his deeds seems much more resonable to me than hating someone for his skintone.

    • Anthraks a dit :...
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    • 29 mai 2007, 10h50m
    Nazis have the right to die.

    Wir sind nicht nur verantwortlich für das was wir tun,
    sondern auch für das, was wir widerstandslos hinnehmen!


    Modifié par Anthraks le 29 mai 2007, 15h45m
  • mal wieder ein echter Anthraks... XD

    • Anthraks a dit :...
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    • 29 mai 2007, 15h44m
    the one above me is a superb example for people who deserve nothing but death.

    Never forget what happened.

    In memories of these poor people, who have been murdered because they were born somewhere else then the fascists or believed in an other religion [...]

    There hasn't to be shame on someone who wishes nazis nothing but sickness and death.

    Wir sind nicht nur verantwortlich für das was wir tun,
    sondern auch für das, was wir widerstandslos hinnehmen!


  • ich verdiene den tod? was genau hab ich gemacht?
    junge du bist das lächerlichste stück hier überhaupt!
    heil allen aufrechten linken, die ein bisschen was im kopf haben.

    • [Utilisateur supprimé] a dit :...
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    • 29 mai 2007, 22h09m
    We should always keep in mind, that what the Nazis did was a crime against humanity and mankind. Never forget that. Although, I think that we also should not forget the victims of extremism at all, no matter in which from. On the one hand we have people like Hitler, Goebbels etc, on the other hand (and ideological pole) we have people like Stalin, Pol Pot etc. Do not forget religious extremism. Religious and radical ecstasy can drive people to do such cruel things that you'd never imagine.

    I think pure HATE is the wrong way to fight extremism. Hate will always give birth to more hate. I understand people's dislike to neo-nazis and other extremists. But instead of throwing hate around you (take a look in the mirror: you do exactly the same thing like them), we should try first to understand and control ourselves. We can fight such people with our brains, not with hate, sticks and stones.

    Therefore, I neither accept right- nor left-wing extremism. I do not accept extremism at all, and given a proper chance and situation, I'll always try to fight it and drive it to extinction. Although, not with words like "you people all deserve to die" or fists. Why? Because if I'd really do that, I'd use exactly the same methods like them (as said before).

    I could repeat this ad nauseam, but the basic point is quite simple: hate is not a solution.

    Anthraks: you have a remarkable Pavlov reflex in regard to this topic. You probably start to write and talk, before you think. Therefore, I recommend: first think, then write. You're 17. You're a kid in terms of life experience. You have a lot to learn. When I was 16-17, I also thought that all problems in the world could be solved by one ideology. Well, I'll not force you to accept my view of the world, but for your information: I was wrong. You'll see, time will show it.

    Remember, you already commited a crime according to German Criminal Code (§130 StGB: Volksverhetzung). You're an example of people, who ruin all trust to organizations like Antifa (which is full of such people anyway, but that's another topic).

    FYI: You should know the law of the country you live in. Otherwise - farewell and goodbye!

    • kundziad a dit :...
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    • 9 juin 2007, 14h23m
    Don't you however have the impression that anti-nazi groups and laws have gone too far?

    Why should, after all, historians be put in jail for arguing and doing research about the number of people murdered in a particular massive crime? Why should hate speech itself be a crime? Why should people thinking and arguing that a race is inferior, without planning any physical assaults, be punished for it? (Believe me, many of such racists only raise their self-esteem by making such claims.)

    Isn't fighting thoughtcrime fascism?

    PS: fibo & SickYid, can your prove your point? What hard evidence do you have that nazis haven't been born with natural preference towards hate? Haven't you ever seen anyone addicted to some of their habits and deeds, not physical features? (I am not suggesting by any means lenience towards anyone's crimes against freedom, only reflecting upon your hatred towards people different than you.)

    • [Utilisateur supprimé] a dit :...
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    • 3 sept. 2007, 15h14m
    I don't know where such ideas come from, every sane person fight against an ideology which promotes genocide

    • dptyson a dit :...
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    • 10 oct. 2007, 21h05m
    kundziad said:
    Don't you however have the impression that anti-nazi groups and laws have gone too far?

    Why should, after all, historians be put in jail for arguing and doing research about the number of people murdered in a particular massive crime? Why should hate speech itself be a crime? Why should people thinking and arguing that a race is inferior, without planning any physical assaults, be punished for it? (Believe me, many of such racists only raise their self-esteem by making such claims.)

    Isn't fighting thoughtcrime fascism?

    PS: fibo & SickYid, can your prove your point? What hard evidence do you have that nazis haven't been born with natural preference towards hate? Haven't you ever seen anyone addicted to some of their habits and deeds, not physical features? (I am not suggesting by any means lenience towards anyone's crimes against freedom, only reflecting upon your hatred towards people different than you.)


    Nazis to me are a germ, they don't deserve a passing glance, let alone the rights and freedoms of law-abiding citizens. Mostly because their belief is anti-everyone, and hatred, while I see potentional in everyone. It just needs to be nurtured.

    Beliefs can be changed. I don't buy that natural preference thing. People are inheritely selfish -- not good or evil -- but the nazis don't fight just for self, but an ideology. A dead-failed one, at that.

    You want to treat Nazism like an addiction? Okay, how very unscientific of you, but it wouldn't really change what I think of them. So they're "addicted" to genocide and hate-speech. They've developed a habit of being assholes. This doesn't excuse them from their atrocities.

    Monsters are real, and ghosts are real too; they live inside us, and sometimes, they win.
    • moismyname a dit :...
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    • 10 nov. 2007, 18h24m
    anti-nazis are by no means hypocrites. thats the same nazi propaganda bullshit as when nazis whine about thier freedom of speech being violated. since when are nazis experts in liberty issues? THAT'S hypocrisy!

    nazis are anti-democratic, anti-liberalist and anti-humanist. they are people who are willing to put thier own personal contempt in front of democracy and liberalism (not to mention support of suppression, deportation, genicide and all that jazz).

    anti-nazis may or may not be democrates, they may or may not be liberalists, be they ARE humanists. they are in fact motivated by their humanism, sometimes to the point of putting it in front of democracy and liberalism (in the case of treatment of anti-humanists such as nazis).

    so even the most radical anti-nazi stands morally on firmer ground than any nazi, although an uncompromising democrate may criticize the "humanism before individual rights" concept. even so, an uncompromising democrate being an anti-nazi is not a contradiction, because freedom of speech is a double-sided sword. if i allow a nazi to say hitler was a good and rightous man, i may also allow myself to tell him and his listeners that that is bullshit and he should shut the fuck up (and maybe add "go kill yourself, you fucking nazi cunt").

    as for "fighting thoughtcrime" being fascism, people can think what they want, but certain actions are dangerous for individuals or for society itself. we therefore have laws that forbid these actions. propagating nazism is effectivly such an action, it should therefore be forbidden. it's as simple as that.

  • Nazis have small cocks. Hitler was jealous of the well hung and circumcised jewish studs who pleasured German women more than any Nazi ever wished haha.

    Sorry, I'm a bit pissed off, watched Schindler's List only recently.

    • Arnoe a dit :...
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    • 29 déc. 2007, 21h41m
    moismyname said:
    anti-nazis are by no means hypocrites. thats the same nazi propaganda bullshit as when nazis whine about thier freedom of speech being violated. since when are nazis experts in liberty issues? THAT'S hypocrisy!

    nazis are anti-democratic, anti-liberalist and anti-humanist. they are people who are willing to put thier own personal contempt in front of democracy and liberalism (not to mention support of suppression, deportation, genicide and all that jazz).

    anti-nazis may or may not be democrates, they may or may not be liberalists, be they ARE humanists. they are in fact motivated by their humanism, sometimes to the point of putting it in front of democracy and liberalism (in the case of treatment of anti-humanists such as nazis).

    so even the most radical anti-nazi stands morally on firmer ground than any nazi, although an uncompromising democrate may criticize the "humanism before individual rights" concept. even so, an uncompromising democrate being an anti-nazi is not a contradiction, because freedom of speech is a double-sided sword. if i allow a nazi to say hitler was a good and rightous man, i may also allow myself to tell him and his listeners that that is bullshit and he should shut the fuck up (and maybe add "go kill yourself, you fucking nazi cunt").

    as for "fighting thoughtcrime" being fascism, people can think what they want, but certain actions are dangerous for individuals or for society itself. we therefore have laws that forbid these actions. propagating nazism is effectivly such an action, it should therefore be forbidden. it's as simple as that.

    Anti-humanist?
    What the fuck, you moron. I'm not a nazi nor a skinhead but you're a retard, sir.
    Most of skinhead nazis are trying to make their country a better place by their racist actions, I dont want any immigrants to Finland or niggers what so ever, you can take them to your country and soon you will see how your own race is a minority in their own country.

    Maybe.
    • moismyname a dit :...
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    • 23 jan. 2008, 20h31m
    Arnoe said:
    Anti-humanist?
    What the fuck, you moron. I'm not a nazi nor a skinhead but you're a retard, sir.
    Most of skinhead nazis are trying to make their country a better place by their racist actions, I dont want any immigrants to Finland or niggers what so ever, you can take them to your country and soon you will see how your own race is a minority in their own country.

    are you kidding? or do you simply not know what humanism is? if not, look it up, dumb-ass!

    btw, i live in kreuzberg, berlin - 70% of the district's population are foreigners, mainly turks and arabs. i don't give a fuck about being "a minority in my own country", i moved here because it's the most laid back district in town. walk out my front door on a sunny day and you get punks chatting to the local turkish grocer, german kids skate-boarding passed some old arab folk playing backgammon and smoking shisha out on the street, cafés full of young folk being entertained by some latin american buskers playing a salsa... and the best food in the city! fuck you, your mono-culture and your prejudices, this is the place to live!

    btw again, i like your music. apart from the nazi shit of course.

    • Arnoe a dit :...
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    • 24 jan. 2008, 5h36m
    moismyname said:
    Arnoe said:
    Anti-humanist?
    What the fuck, you moron. I'm not a nazi nor a skinhead but you're a retard, sir.
    Most of skinhead nazis are trying to make their country a better place by their racist actions, I dont want any immigrants to Finland or niggers what so ever, you can take them to your country and soon you will see how your own race is a minority in their own country.

    are you kidding? or do you simply not know what humanism is? if not, look it up, dumb-ass!

    btw, i live in kreuzberg, berlin - 70% of the district's population are foreigners, mainly turks and arabs. i don't give a fuck about being "a minority in my own country", i moved here because it's the most laid back district in town. walk out my front door on a sunny day and you get punks chatting to the local turkish grocer, german kids skate-boarding passed some old arab folk playing backgammon and smoking shisha out on the street, cafés full of young folk being entertained by some latin american buskers playing a salsa... and the best food in the city! fuck you, your mono-culture and your prejudices, this is the place to live!

    btw again, i like your music. apart from the nazi shit of course.

    Thanks, I can pretty much relate to extreme right or left wing stuff. that sounds pretty cool btw, there is cool people amongst the foreigners, I can admit that :P

    Maybe.
    • skinboy151 a dit :...
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    • 29 fév. 2008, 8h16m
    Sorry for posting, only having read like 3 posts in the tread.

    Threadstarter, I think that the people you talked to might have talked about certain anti-nazi/anti-fascist groups, which at times have behaviors that disrupt the peace and quite a bit too much for their liking.

    There are great differences between various ways of being anti-nazi/anti-fascist.

    Personally, I'm a skinhead. I'm anti-fascist. On the other hand, I'm not extremelly left wing as the vast majority of active anti-fascists are.

    The claims of hypocrisy generally come on the basis of pretty crappy arguments, comparing direct action, rioting and other semi-legal/illegal things that are done to disrupt nazi/right wing activities with fascism.
    Another popular "argument", is claiming that the use of violence and other harsh means against fascists is using the fascists' own methods. This might be true, but people who say that are utterly missing the point.

    I see anti-fascism as self-defense. Always.

    • [Utilisateur supprimé] a dit :...
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    • 27 avr. 2008, 19h22m

    Don't argue against nazism...

    ...destroy it!

    haha

  • You idiots miss whole point of national socialism. You shitbags hate something you don't understand and worst is that youre not even willing to understand. All you guys see are victims, victims and victims. Think things on larger scale and speak after that.

    and to noctus_ix: Look at mirror.

  • no, we hate the killing of millions of innocent jews, the fact that americans and people all over the globe idolize the worst person in history (hitler), and are shameless about it. i hope neo-nazis can take a summer camp to a concentration camp, lose a few pounds, and take a cyclon-b shower. thats what we want. anyone who's anti-gay anti-semite anti-black and anti-hispanic deserves a dose of their own medicine: pure, unbridled hatred....

  • nazi punks fuck off, and nazis of any sort. RAC music is the shittiest thing ive ever had the displeasure to enter my ears....

    • moismyname a dit :...
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    • 15 mai 2008, 14h35m
    Yes Rape-My-Legs, looking at nazism all we see is victims, because there is nothing else to see. Nazi foreign policy = war = victims. Nazi inner affairs = disposal of basic rights = victims. Nazi economy = colonialism and slave labour = victims. I don't think racial policies need mentioning... Nazism is a parasitic system, it can't exist on its own, it needs to draw blood. Is that scale large enough for you?

    Oh, and do you think you wouldn't be a victim? Got the blue eyes, blond hair and the right attitude, huh? They'd send you marching off to the frontier of some superfluous war to "defend your race" and hand your mother a medal after you've been splattered across the battlefield. Dumb fuck.

  • There is no need to discuss why anyone would be against nazis:

    They promote elitism based on race, religion, etc.; they are willing to fight for their believe (which they believe is the best) with violence; they are willing to commit crimes against humanity.

    Being anti-nazi is self defense.

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